tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5748156690521830936.post3468783870325826334..comments2024-03-28T13:18:10.107+00:00Comments on Aviation of Japan 日本の航空史: AZ Models 1/72nd Mitsubishi Ki-30 "Ann" ~ Part 1Straggler 脱走兵http://www.blogger.com/profile/10129611267271999294noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5748156690521830936.post-10938134629045933802020-01-31T13:32:40.684+00:002020-01-31T13:32:40.684+00:00Hi!
I just found this article recently.
I have a ...Hi! <br />I just found this article recently.<br />I have a question about the internal bomb bay of Ki-30. There is just so little information about the type, as you have commented. So far, I haven't come across any other source about internal bomb bay. Do you have more information on the bay? How does it look? What is size of bomb it can fit? <br /><br />I'm interested in Ki-30 operated by Thai air force during Franco-Thai war and after. From Thai sources, it sounds like Ki-30 had some respectable bomb load. It did not feel like the four under-wing racks would be able to hold that much bomb. When I saw you mentioning the internal bay, it made a lot of sense. <br /><br />I have a couple of AZ model Ki-30 kits. The resin bombs included in mine look much larger than 100 kg, more like 250 kg type. It would be too big for the wing racks.<br /><br />Best regards,<br />NanondNanondhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13586609338067017623noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5748156690521830936.post-60644685154076991412012-01-03T20:10:22.135+00:002012-01-03T20:10:22.135+00:00Nick,
I was indeed thinking of Kariki 117. I was...Nick,<br /><br />I was indeed thinking of Kariki 117. I was recalling an article (not very accurately!) and I thought I had remembered it as factory-related rather than service-related. Thanks. <br /><br />RE "the archive swatches from the original painting regulations," are these privately or institutionally owned, and are they made accessible to researchers like you and others who have been on the color trail a long time? From what you know, would the passage of so much time have significantly changed color values? Sorry, I'm sure you have answered these elsewhere. <br /><br />Very interesting and helpful history re the 64th and the allocation of its airplanes and their painting, especially with different voices distinctly remembering a variety of greens. It sounds like assimilation of scarce info and continual careful surmise must still be the required method for JAAF colors. I still have some of the Aeromaster paints that represent JAAF colors and attempted a "scale effect." I've generally liked them as a starting point for models, but I'd be interested if you knew whose research was consulted for them. Of course one question would be "what scale are we talking about?" <br /><br />For those who have not seen it, there is a nine-minute video interview with Yohei Hinoki that I found quite surprising in many aspects, especially the Ki-43 itself. No doubt much is lost in translation, but it's worth a look at: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-eBmnpCO18 <br /><br />Thanks again for the info, Nick.<br /><br />Mark SmithMark Smithnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5748156690521830936.post-2531165275954806702012-01-02T02:35:05.551+00:002012-01-02T02:35:05.551+00:00Hello Nick,
Thanks for the info above.
Regards,
...Hello Nick,<br /><br />Thanks for the info above.<br /><br />Regards,<br />Ken GlassKen Glassnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5748156690521830936.post-33642050000665980632012-01-01T18:52:47.978+00:002012-01-01T18:52:47.978+00:00Hi Mark
I don't recognise the reference to &q...Hi Mark<br /><br />I don't recognise the reference to "wartime # 118 fan deck". Do you mean Kariki 117? If so that was an IJN standard only.<br /><br />There are three sources for JAAF colours, the archive swatches from the original painting regulations and the Feb '45 document 8609 (both printed as facsimiles in Gakken), plus the Hess-Ives colour values discovered by Owaki-san. All these represent paint colour standards rather than applied paints but some correlations can be drawn from specific examples. Model Art is less reliable for colour data than Gakken but the latter is unfortunately only in Japanese.<br /><br />I'm afraid the question of painting is a moving feast or how long is a piece of string? To take just one example, the 64th Sentai. The first Ki-43-I aircraft were received in the autumn of 1941 in unpainted, natural metal finish, and were then painted dark green by the unit prior to the December offensive. The under surfaces remained in natural metal finish. There are two primary sources for the dark green being haphazard:- "The green colours were all a little different. It wasn’t lacquered and was indistinguishable from normal paint." (Hinoki) and "Not only did the dark green (colour) vary from aircraft to aircraft but even on the same aircraft . . . " (Yasuda). Then after the invasion of Singapore replacement aircraft were received which had been painted to a very high standard in two shades of green, kumogata style, with fully painted under surfaces, probably by an Army issuing depot (Hinoki). This paint was factory-like in both quality and application. From the descriptions the two greens were probably intended to match the standards for # 27 (dark) blue-green and # 21 olive (green). There are conflicting reports of the under surface paint colour - both grey-green and light blue-grey. <br /><br />In March in the NEI the 64th handed some of their aircraft over to the 59th Sentai and sent a group of pilots to collect new aircraft from Formosa (Yasuda). When they arrived in Burma the unit had a mix of heavily weathered original aircraft and two different lots of replacement aircraft. <br /><br />Regards<br />NickStraggler 脱走兵https://www.blogger.com/profile/10129611267271999294noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5748156690521830936.post-72707097133657090662011-12-29T18:06:10.732+00:002011-12-29T18:06:10.732+00:00Thanks for the translation and discussion of the p...Thanks for the translation and discussion of the paints using the MA#533 book as a starting point. Always good to know where *they* started in determining the colors and mixing their own chips, and the frankness about guesswork is helpful. Were the discoveries of the wartime #118 fan deck of Japanese colors of further help in determining these shades, or do you think a lot of them were mixed in the field? <br /><br />Thanks, <br /><br />MarkMark Smithnoreply@blogger.com