tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5748156690521830936.post7957836904588754856..comments2024-03-28T13:18:10.107+00:00Comments on Aviation of Japan 日本の航空史: Ki-87 Props and that Hairyokushoku BusinessStraggler 脱走兵http://www.blogger.com/profile/10129611267271999294noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5748156690521830936.post-69416240832286046622023-09-05T23:44:24.543+01:002023-09-05T23:44:24.543+01:00Thanks for your comment Eric. Unfortunately there ...Thanks for your comment Eric. Unfortunately there is a lot of contradictory 'evidence' in the assertive Japanese presentation of J3 as the Zero colour. An assertion that it is a pure neutral gray consisting of only black and white pigments. It isn't. It's a Munsell GY - Green Yellow. The 'go to' Zero hobby colour is Gunze H35 which is not neutral gray either but a Munsell B - Blue. The closest FS value to J3 is 16307 and although that is 'bulkhead gray' it is not a pure neutral grey either. <br /><br />I was seriously disappointed in the book you mention. The approach to coatings and paint technology and colour science is deeply flawed. But there is a prevalent Western modelling presumption that anything on Japanese colours originating in Japan must be gospel! The whiteish grey belief has lived long and prospered from the 明灰白色 - mei hai or kai haku shoku - light/bright grey(ish) white colour repeated ad nauseum in Japanese kits, books and magazines to this day. <br /><br />Regards<br />NickStraggler 脱走兵https://www.blogger.com/profile/10129611267271999294noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5748156690521830936.post-88538409214699674792023-09-05T03:48:09.222+01:002023-09-05T03:48:09.222+01:00Saw a Japanese YouTube video in animation - in typ...Saw a Japanese YouTube video in animation - in typical Japanese fashion - which details why the Japanese still cling on to their IJN grey propositions…all subjective, mainly. They mentioned the usual, with factory painted gray deteriorating soon after aircraft were delivered to the field/ship; to a greenish gray hue. Not surprisingly, the video recommended Mr Color C128 for an early A6M2. <br />I also correspond with Japanese modelers and all embrace the “greys” in their finishing. However, one modeler painted his Zero in a whitish light gray and then applied a brown filter to get the Ame-Iro tint! I like using filters in my AFV modeling; maybe I’ll try his technique on one of my Tamiya 1/48 A6M2s (I still enjoy this kit, built my first shortly after they hit the shelves in the early/mid 70s).<br /><br />(I relied on “Google Translator” for translation. This app is an excellent tool which I use through my IPhone via both word and camera…just be prepared to constantly pause the video to translate via camera…but it works.)<br /><br />I should also mention that I recently purchased “What Color? Imperial Japanese Navy Airplane (Mitsubishi A6M Zero Back Yard)” …all Japanese with some English subtitles. Used Google Translator. They used #515 as their example that the early Zeros were painted J3…yikes, I should had put my money towards Eduard’s A6M3 Type 32 Weekend Edition! I’m still learning in my senior years!<br /><br />Best regards,<br /><br />Eric<br /><br /><br /><br />Northern Nevadan (Eric)https://www.blogger.com/profile/00979761294379504208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5748156690521830936.post-35797493224914687502023-08-31T21:54:20.603+01:002023-08-31T21:54:20.603+01:00Hello Rune
Thank you for your comment and you are...Hello Rune<br /><br />Thank you for your comment and you are right to be confused. The situation has been confused by preference driven opinion and deliberately subjective agendas. In terms of Gunze and Tamiya there is no paint which represents the IJN colour (I would not refer to it as 'Hairyokushoku" which is better suited to describe the Army colour. The closest is Tamiya's XF-76 which represents a moderately weathered paint. A Tamiya mix that closely replicates the full scale colour of extant Zero paint samples recovered during the Pearl Harbor attack is 100 parts J.A. Grey XF14, 40 parts Khaki XF49, 3 parts Neutral Grey XF53, 3 parts White XF2 and 2 parts Red XF7. This would need to be lightened for 'scale colour' if you believe in that and dependent on what scale you are working in. In Gunze a mix of approximately 50% H70 RLM 02 to 50% H336 Hemp using GSI Creos paints will approximately replicate the Zero colour. But there are available ready made paints in the AK Interactive, MRP and MMP ranges.<br /><br />For the Army Hairyokushoku I'd suggest Mr Color C128 as a better representation than Tamiya's XF-14.<br /><br />For more detailed information about the Zero colour and paints your best bet is to buy my Painting The Early Zero-Sen PDF which is cheaper now than many kits and will steer you away from all the garden paths which have been created on this subject.<br /><br />Regards<br />Nick<br />Straggler 脱走兵https://www.blogger.com/profile/10129611267271999294noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5748156690521830936.post-58745005301160758952023-08-31T20:30:09.787+01:002023-08-31T20:30:09.787+01:00I am a bit confused; Which ash-green paint do you ...I am a bit confused; Which ash-green paint do you recommend for Army Airforce and Navy Airforce respectively? (Mr Hobby, Tamiya, etc).<br />Keep up the good work :-)Rune Svenssonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06445570831189095566noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5748156690521830936.post-20778728124947173722017-08-16T16:45:00.341+01:002017-08-16T16:45:00.341+01:00Thanks for posting your research findings, Nick.
...Thanks for posting your research findings, Nick.<br /><br />Regards,<br />Ken GlassKen Glassnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5748156690521830936.post-19977731849020074812017-06-14T10:15:58.075+01:002017-06-14T10:15:58.075+01:00Well Vedran, I can only share such data as there i...Well Vedran, I can only share such data as there is to enable an informed choice. However much is stated it can't and won't stop alternative opinions. In the modelling world opinions are almost on a parity with established facts, if not far exceeding them ("a lie can travel half way around the world before the truth has got its boots on"). Personal preference plays a big part in colour choice for models and why not? Some modellers like to support their personal colour choices with definitive data and others are not that bothered. The real issue is when some modellers, with the known facts presented time after time, still talk of a "can of worms" and cite both half-baked opinions and misunderstood/misquoted facts as though they are of equal merit and measure, thus plunging many others into doubt and confusion again. It's not quite trolling although in many threads it gets close to that but it's certainly irresponsible.<br /><br />Regards<br />Nick<br />Straggler 脱走兵https://www.blogger.com/profile/10129611267271999294noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5748156690521830936.post-44141380983669206152017-05-23T07:37:26.728+01:002017-05-23T07:37:26.728+01:00Hi Will
Very likely, the colour is highly suscept...Hi Will<br /><br />Very likely, the colour is highly susceptible to iluminant metamerism. In addition to Zeros at Midway described as painted "ash gray", others were described as a "light tan, very shiny or slick", a "brownish colour", a "khaki colour", “dune coloured” (sic), “dirty brown” and “mustard yellow”. Those descriptions probably reflect older and newer aircraft, as well as Nakajima-built aircraft which were noticeably more yellowish-brown looking than Mitsubishi-built examples.<br /><br />Regards<br />Nick Straggler 脱走兵https://www.blogger.com/profile/10129611267271999294noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5748156690521830936.post-64499366598499362792017-05-23T05:54:10.229+01:002017-05-23T05:54:10.229+01:00Could the "amber" colored gray be the re...Could the "amber" colored gray be the reason that some pilots referred to a yellow color, especially if the sun was hitting the aircraft and accenting the amber color?Will Gossetthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09529302620353013062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5748156690521830936.post-47472749278719669712017-05-22T20:58:19.283+01:002017-05-22T20:58:19.283+01:00Well, Nick, you just need to bash people on the he...Well, Nick, you just need to bash people on the head with information, something will stick ;-)<br /><br />This reminds me of that scene in The Longest Day where the beach master bashes the engine hood of the Universal Carrier that won't start. It does start in the end. :D<br /><br />Cheers,<br /><br />VedranVedrannoreply@blogger.com